ThunderTiger, DuraTraxx are cheap brands (Duratraxx is OK actually). The HPI E-Firestorm is incredible, expensive (still cheaper then the Rustler VXL) but you get what you pay for. I drove the first generation brushless up there with the best Ive driven. Much better then the Rustler, but the Rustler has more part support because of being Traxxas. Both are waterproof.